This was a real email thread at work today.
I think this thread is yet more evidence that
a) MSFT ain’t what she used to be (passionate people doing great things)
b) I made the right decision to "retire"
c) GOOG has nothing to fear from MSFT
From: Live Search engineer
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:57 AM
To: non-DL recipients
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
I didn’t say I wanted "politically correct words" but a modicum of politeness wouldn’t hurt anyone here.
I would ask you to look at the search product we had in June of 2007 and the product we have now and I defy you to tell me no improvement is visible. Your attitude is ridiculous. I’m as competitive as anyone and I want to leap ahead of Google and be the best at everything but this is, as you say, the real world and these things take time — just because you send feedback doesn’t mean that the result will be fixed tomorrow. I send feedback to the IE team and it takes another year for it to see a release, but I don’t feel that gives me carte blanche to call them assholes and babies and unresponsive and useless.
I’ve never seen anyone here turn feedback down, though I do see people try to manage expectations. We don’t add definitives willy-nilly, and we track every piece of feedback we get on the product and target categorical issues for fixes. I’m not sure what else it is you expect to get back.
From: me
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:51 AM
To: non-DL recipients
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
That’s nice and all <Live Search engineer>, but this is the real world. Grow up.
Crap is the euphemism for what I really feel about your product.
You want only politically correct words? How about no words?
The search team has historically done a real nice job of turning feedback down and making supporters like myself into enemies.
Holier than thou? Improve your product, then come talking to me about holier than thou.
From: Live Search engineer
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:47 AM
To: non-DL recipients
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
Sorry fellas, but I need to say this too:
<soapbox>
Did it ever occur to you that human beings also work on live search and aren’t perfect? That perhaps throwing out phrases like "don’t jerk [me] around with crap" (I see crap here multiple times) might be just a bit rude and unnecessary? We’re sorry we don’t have the six+ year head start Google has and that our results aren’t perfect every time for every query you make. People are working tirelessly on this product though, and constant smatterings on a wide alias that the product is "crap" are wholly unnecessary. Your DSAT feedback is critical, but the holier than thou attitude is not.
</soapbox>
From: me
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:39 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Cc:
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
MSN Messenger Mobile is #1 on the “related searches” stack on the right side of Live search.
<soapbox>
Honestly, I don’t know why, as a user, I still even try to give Live Search feedback, when the competition gives me what I want.
I mean really, the “your search looked like these other searches” philosophy has got to go.
Pure indexing works. Don’t jerk people around with the predictive crap.
</soapbox>
From:
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:29 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Cc:
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
Well, er… give that feedback on the searchchallenge site….
From:
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:26 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Cc:
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
I’m guessing that <redacted> put the quotes in the email to show the query string, and didn’t actually put the quotes in the query.
Live search returning that result way down at #6 is a crap result. Once I realized it wasn’t #1 I started visually scanning the returned content for a boldfaced “messenger” and didn’t even see that. Yes, it’s in the quoted page title—I just wasn’t looking there.
It’s a totally crappy result.
Google nails it. Even with quotes their top result is good, even if it’s for the Yahoo messenger.
From: me
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:14 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Cc:
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
Because you searched for a phrase (used quotes).
Phrase-based searching on Live.com is just plain broken. Always has been, always will be???
I cannot ever search for anything on Live because I am invariably looking for a phrase, whether it’s error codes, or pop culture.
However, searching for Messenger Mobile does bring results. It appears to be #6.
http://searchchallenge/results.aspx?lse=Windows+Live&rse=Google&q=messenger+mobile
From:
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:54 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
…and this demonstrates my frustration with Live Search. Why isn’t this page the top hit when I search for “Messenger Mobile” on Microsoft.com?
From:
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:48 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Subject: RE: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/software/default.mspx
Click on Windows Live for Windows Mobile link….
From:
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:44 AM
To: big Distribution List at work
Subject: Windows Live Messenger for Windows Mobile
I remember seeing a demo a while ago of a Messenger client that works on Windows Mobile phone. Where can I install this? I am not seeing it on <redacted> download site.